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Poster: DeadATL Date: Dec 29, 2010 2:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: DP2 (10/31/71)

I've been listening to this a lot recently. I like it very much and was wondering what everyone thinks of it. Also, why wasn't the entire show released?

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Dec 29, 2010 8:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DP2 (10/31/71)

This is an interview with Dick Latvala explaining how he picked this show:
ftp://gdead.berkeley.edu/pub/gdead/interviews/Dick-Latvala

He says, "After hearing about five or six shows from October '71 - they were playing a lot of the same songs, night after night, and it could get boring - this show was like getting hit with a brick in the face, I couldn't believe it... I must have played it ten times before I could talk... I can't believe that anyone who hears this is not going to go to outer space, intensely, over and over."

He calls the Dark Star jam one of the best of all time (which is true) - "as high as you can get...you're just floating in heaven" - and also praises the Not Fade Away as "a thrill a minute...I start shaking, it's so exciting." (I agree with the interviewer, this is also one of the best NFAs ever.)

(Ironically, Latvala had no clue about the difference between the Tighten Up, Mind Left Body, and Feelin' Groovy jams! So he didn't know what to call them...)

He points out that there was a tapeflip a couple minutes into Not Fade Away that they had to edit. "It was worrisome to me, but Jeffrey Norman did a job on it I defy anyone to be able to hear."

Asked why he didn't release the whole show, he says, "There was a first set that there wasn't much happening in. We went with this jam because it was 59 minutes of no-frills, bare, straight-up - I wanted to put out something that would shock *me*."
"The concept of putting out whole shows - I came into this job thinking that way. I was really adamant about it. I've learned that's unrealistic. That's what tape trading is for. We're lucky we're getting what we're getting."

(Asked what he likes the most, he adds, "I could stay in the winter of '73 forever. I just heard one yesterday that blew me away. Does anybody even know about October 29th at the Kiel Auditorium in St Louis in '73? This Other One is incredible!")

The Dick's Picks series was just starting - he points out that he's not actually in charge of releases, but is very excited about it: "This is my goal: to get it out. I can't stand sitting on this music. It's terrible that everyone can't hear this stuff, so my mission is to get it out... I think everyone on the planet should think this is the greatest thing, and I'm amazed that there's only a small group of us."

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Poster: jerrys beard Date: Dec 30, 2010 6:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DP2 (10/31/71)

My #1 Dark Star...just does it all for me. The melodic approach just draws me in every time. I can play it over and over and not grow tried. It carries me along in a way no other DS does.

All the other DS(s) mentioned are incredible as well, but this one is the ultimate for me.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Dec 30, 2010 9:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DP2 (10/31/71)


Possibly the greatest hour stretch of music ever played by the band. The Dark Star, NFA > GDTRFB, and St Steve are all in the best ever conversation, imo. The Sugar Mag is pretty good too. The tunes left off are mostly well played, but nothing you have to have.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-10-31.sbd.miller.79011.sbeok.flac16


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Poster: kschneid Date: Dec 29, 2010 6:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DP2 (10/31/71)

If I could only have one, this would be it. First set and encore.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Dec 29, 2010 2:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DP2 (10/31/71)

Love this DP, one of my favorites...pretty much everything is great (with the exception of St. Stephen which is a bit messy) including the NFA and GDTRFB which are one of the finest pairings of those tunes i've ever heard.

But really the best part of the whole thing, and the reason i keep coming back to it, is the astounding, fantastical version of Dark Star. The thematic jamming in the second half is just some of the purest and most melodic i've ever heard. people rave about 11/2/69s "feelin' groovy" (which IS exceptional) but imo it can't get any better than this one! A top 10 Dark Star in my book!

and i'm not sure why they didn't release the whole show...i'm sure it was good. initially, it seems that the dick's picks series was intended to be highlight reels rather than complete concerts, but obviously it didn't end up that way...

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Dec 29, 2010 5:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DP2 (10/31/71)

Completely agree with you on everything you've said about DP #2 cept' the thematic jam towards the end of the Dark Star on 10/31/71 is a "Tighten Up Jam" not a Feelin' Groovy Jam. Still it's prolly my all time favorite Dark Star next to 2/27/69...

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Poster: mcglone Date: Dec 31, 2010 4:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DP2 (10/31/71)

tighten up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIdug40ZM-M&;feature=related

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Dec 29, 2010 6:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DP2 (10/31/71)

i get these confused sometimes...lets see, the tighten up jam is based on two chords that sound a lot like eyes of the world. its whats in the Darks and Dancin's of 1969-70?

the feelin' groovy (or Uncle John's like jam as it is sometimes called) sounds like feelin' groovy but is not the same chord progression. is part of China>Rider from about mid '73-1974. isn't also in some Dark Stars in '72 and some other jams?



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Poster: vapors Date: Dec 29, 2010 6:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DP2 (10/31/71)

A great post by light into ashes on the subject:
http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2010/01/deads-early-thematic-jams.html

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Dec 29, 2010 9:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DP2 (10/31/71)

thanks, for that link. seeing as they played both feelin' groovy and tighten up in the same song sometimes in the early years, and so interchangeably, i guess it can be confusing, but you've just gotta listen :)

and wow, what an informative blog! some of these jams i had no idea about...always nice to learn something new about these guys...